This Florida woman says her boyfriend, 32, believes 401(k)s are a ‘scam’ — here’s why Dave Ramsey says she can’t just roll her eyes at his ‘broken and immature viewpoint’

“I’m a big saver,” she explained. “So I’m really into it, I have a 401(k) and a Roth IRA. And his response was that all that matters is working and making money now, and that 401(k)s are a scam.”

She called the show to ask financial educator Dave Ramsey for advice on how to approach the conversation and help her boyfriend understand why saving for retirement is important.

Ramsey weighed in with context and caution, and didn’t mince his words.

Like teaching someone how to ride a bike

“Without knowing why he thinks 401(k)s are a scam, what he’s really saying is, ‘I came from an area where we’re living hand-to-mouth, and thinking about the future isn’t something I want to do. I just want to enjoy the moment.’ That may be rooted in the instability he grew up with, political, economic, or safety-related, but,” Ramsey warned, “it’s still a broken and immature viewpoint.”

Ramsey didn’t hold back, saying, “That’s a problem for you. Because you get to live with someone who’s going to do no planning for the future, which guarantees your future sucks.”

“Did you ask him why he thinks they’re a scam?” co-host Ken Coleman asked. “Was there any kind of follow-up on that particular classification of it?”

She admitted, not really. Her boyfriend, originally from Albania, moved to the U.S. six years ago and just became a citizen this year. He’s 32 and she’s 30.

Coleman offered an empathetic approach, saying that fear might be at the core of her boyfriend’s beliefs.

“If he is truly scared of this product, 401(k), because he doesn’t understand it ... then you can deal with fear,” Coleman said. “It’s like teaching someone to ride a bike. You start with training wheels. This is going to be a gradual teaching process.”

Ramsey also notes it may be a mistrust of banks, in general, based on experiences of banking in his country of origin, where there may not be the same safety net to prevent people losing their money. He calls out Latin America in reference to this, but notes this may be a root cause of Emily’s boyfriend’s mistrust too. Whether it’s money-related insecurity or basic immaturity, Ramsey was clear: “You’ve got to work through this with him, or don’t marry him. Ain’t worth it.”

The caller appreciated the candid advice, and both hosts offered practical next steps.

“Take him to see a SmartVestor Pro,” Coleman recommended. “If he’s afraid, honor his fear. Don’t dismiss his questions.”

SmartVestor Pro is a free service offered by Ramsey Solutions, the organization founded by Dave Ramsey, and meant to connect individuals with legit financial professionals who share Ramsey's investment philosophy.

Ramsey added, “Actual fear is of something that is logical. If you're standing in the middle of an interstate and an 18-wheeler is coming at you at 100 miles an hour, you should move. That's right. That's actual fear. You're going to die. That's a lot different, though. And so this is false evidence appearing real, or it's immaturity. I don't know which.”

Money disagreements are a common issue with couples

Emily's situation reflects a broader issue in the United States: many couples disagree about money matters or think about their partner’s finances — and this can even be a deal-breaker.

A 2019 Pew Research Center study found that:

44% of adults who live together claim financial stability as a prerequisite to getting married. 29% of cohabiting adults say their partner's not being ready financially is a major reason for not marrying (while 24% claim it as a minor reason).